Grateful Dead 10/20/74
Winterland Arena, San Francisco, CA
Source Summary
mixed sources (see info file, and for flaws); via D. Finney, stemming from Frank's Picks tree- more info; note some material from show appears on album Steal Your Face- go buy it; see public comments for quality note
From: David A. Finney [dfinney@cts.com]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 7:26 PM
To: siteops@etree.org
Subject: Hosting Request gd74-10-20

I just got this show from the Frank's Picks round 4 tree. This date has apparently not yet been circulated on etree, so I'll upload it to your site if you'd like it. The tree also included 10-18 and 10-19, but these seem to have been circulated already. If anyone feels that these copies should be cuirculated as well, I'm happy to oblige.

from the web page
(http://frankspicks.org/fp4_Source_tape_info.htm):

[snip]
From: Rob Bertrando
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:17:22 -0800
Subject: Oct 1974 Winterland AUDs

The best sounding AUDs of this run (all 5 nights) were made by Charles Conner (sp?), using a Sony ECM-22P into a highly modified Sony mono portable. There is occasional wow/flutter, but the frequency response is great, and the hiss low.

I started the distribution of the "audiency"-sounding SBDs of the last three nights, in late 1976. They came to me on cassette, from Jerry Wexler's (of Atlantic Records fame) son or nephew, I forget the exact connection. I and about 4 others copied them to reel at that time, and copies have flowed since. Much more recently, SBDs of the 16th and 17th have surfaced, without the audience mix. I don't know if anyone has similar mixes of the last three nights for trade or listening.
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Grateful Dead
Winterland
San Francisco, CA
10.20.74
sbd (thought to be rough mix tapes made for 'Steal Your Face' song selection)

[soapbox]
I already own 'Steal Your Face', both on vinyl and on CD. IMHO, it would show appropriate support for a band that is so generous with their copyrighted material for parties interested in this show to buy/already own a copy of 'Steal Your Face' as well.

'Steal Your Face' songs and dates, From Deadbase:

10-17 Casey Jones
10-18 Sugaree, BIODTL, Ship of Fools
10-19 Miss. 1/2 Step, El Paso, BT Wind, Big River, US Blues
10-20 CR&S, Around, Roses, Promised, Stella
[/soapbox]

disc 1
------
* Cold Rain and Snow
Mama Tried
Deal
Beat it on down the Line
Loser
Jack Straw
Tennesse Jed
El Paso
Brokedown Palace
China Cat Sunflower
I Know You Rider
Around and Around

disc 2
------
Playin' in the Band
Drums
Not Fade Away
Drums
The Other One
Wharf Rat
Playin' in the Band

disc 3
------
Good Lovin'
It Must Have Been the Roses
Promised Land
Eyes of the World
Stella Blue
** Sugar Magnolia
** Johnny B. Goode
*** Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo
*** And We Bid You Good Night

* slight splice during Cold Rain and Snow at 1:38.
** different source: unknown aud rig>Reel Master>dat
*** different source: unknown aud rig>?>dat, not as good as the first.


dfinney@cts.com
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Comments
Other Sources (comments)
flac16 ; SBD>7" 1/2 track... (1) flac16 ; Lineage:... (1) flac24 ; Lineage: 16 track... (0) flac16 ; Lineage: 16 track... (0)
Date User Comment
07/14/2000 Diana Hamilton This version suffers from a high-pitched hiss and, more seriously, a sense of "something missing," which appears to be the lower fequencies.
The 10/19/74 from the same source has the same problems. I have not heard the 10/18/74 from the same source, to compare.
Also, at least one part spot-checked (Brokedown Palace) sounded off pitch (slow).
07/08/2004 C Miller The ** audience source sounds a little fast to me. Not too much, though. A decent audience, nonetheless. A complete show from that source would be nice.
07/15/2004 Chuck Frolio There are md5's for a 4th disc (Seastones A and Seastones B) but no corresponding SHN files for these tracks.
11/18/2004 Lewis/Klitschko There is a Phil and Ned segment, yes? Which point in the show? Before the "Playin'"?
11/18/2004 Diana As noted in the setlist entry here, "Phil Lesh and Ned Lagin ("Seastones") between sets". As noted by Chuck in the comments above, the presence of Seastones md5s in this record implies that there are/were circulating tracks for those segments- although they apparently haven't made it into the archived copy.
11/18/2004 Diana Heh, I see the tracks do exist in circulation because according to Greg's notes on our copy, we have them. :)
http://research.umbc.edu/~hamilton/Sources/gd741020gsh.txt
11/18/2004 Lewis/Klitschko Yes, but I'm wondering where in the show, chronologically, they appeared.
11/18/2004 Diana I take "between sets" to mean, between each set.
11/18/2004 Matt "Phil & Ned" or "Seastones" was always performed between sets... Then there are rare times the band joins in with Phil as the set begins.
11/18/2004 Charlie Miller It was between sets 1 and 2.
07/07/2006 Greg Yurkovic The first Seastones track is 27:26 in length, while the second is 12:58. It sounds to me like the second is just a partial version of the first. I'd also surmise that Phil & Ned didn't do 40 minutes of Seastones.
Is anyone else able to confirm or disprove this? There's really no info about those 2 tracks.
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