Source # | 23062 |
Entered by | Matt Vernon |
Checksums | ffp , flac-md5 |
Disc Counts | 3 / 5 |
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Date Circulated
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03/17/2004 09/22/2004 |
Other Sources (comments) late electric; Aud >... (3) late show, plus 7/10/70... (7) Late Show--Electric Set;... (8) Audience tape recorded by... (0) flac16 ; Late Show partial... (0) flac16 ; Audience master >... (0) flac16 ; source: AUD... (0) flac16 ; Source: Sony... (0) |
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03/25/2004 | Paul McFadyen |
Pasted here are my updated comments on another board, re the veracity of the setlists for the "early" (sic) shows, acoustic set(s) and NRPS: "the txt file states that the Dead's early electric set and late acoustic set are missing. Isn't this because there was only ONE show that night? the setlist previously assumed to be 6/24/70 early electric is as follows, 1. Cold Rain & Snow (6:08) 2. Me & My Uncle--> (3:21) 3. //Easy Wind (8:55) 4. //New Minglewood Blues (4:04) 5. Alligator--> (3:57) 6. Drums--> (6:27) 7. Jam--> (1:55) 8. The Other One--> (4:38) 9. Attics of My Life--> (6:32) 10. The Other One--> (4:28) 11. Cryptical Envelopment--> (1:08) 12. Cosmic Charlie (7:20) Disc 2 (29:24) electric set continued: 1. Good Lovin'--> (2:55) 2. Drums--> (2:27) 3. China Cat Sunflower--> (5:38) 4. I Know You Rider--> (4:33) 5. Good Lovin' (2:10) 6. crowd chatter (1:24) encore: 7. Not Fade Away (10:13) and is now widely accepted to be Fillmore east, 7/10/70 (http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=17351) The setlist given on the txt file for the "early" electric set of 6/24/70 is, in fact, the setlist for the early electric set at Fillmore East, 5/15/70 (see http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=96 for confirmation) Little wonder that the audience tapes for this set haven't been found - they don't exist! Moving on, the setlist for the "missing" late acoustic set is correct - this set is already available on etree as http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=7467. The setlist for the early acoustic that they do have here is an oddity - there are no matches for this in Deadbase or etree; is it genuine? As for the Riders sets, the "late" setlist is true (check etree above), but the "early" is a mystery to me - there is a separate audio only entry on etree for this, but no shn set." |
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03/29/2004 | OBIE |
this is a new source and is correct, it came from the taper who taped it. just because you never heard of it doesn't mean it isn't really what it says. this is the real deal. |
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03/30/2004 | Paul McFadyen |
If you will cross-refer with other source information, you will see that there is a strong body of evidence that there was only ONE show that night (see http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=4510 for more discussion) and, therefore, the lists supplied for the sets under query are likely to be bogus - certainly the listing for the Dead's "early" show shown here is definitely false, as it without question the setlist for the 5/15/70 early show, for which SBD tapes have widely circulated for many years.. I'm prepared to keep an open mind on the "early" acoustic & NRPS sets though, given the above, I don't believe they are from 6/24/70 at all - has anyone heard them & can offer more insight? |
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03/30/2004 | scottz | for those who have heard this - is it a sound upgrade from previous copies out there - esp. the one that JWise dug up a few years back? | |
03/30/2004 | John Hance |
To all the experts out there. There is no doubt that two shows happened that night! point# 1)I know 4 different people that attended that night.2)There are newa paper adds promoting this show.3) the tapes dont lie. There is a tape missing,not lost! We are confident that it will show up along with a misplaced box of Lee recordings. Marty Weinberg's reel was mislabled.It has been brought to my attentsion that Marty wasnt big on labeling.It is a very similar set so it would be easy to confuse the shows. I have in my possesion the missing tape's , labeled box. How could one dipute an acoustic set that doesnt match any other? If you look at the set list to 5/15/70 early electric, it infact does not match.Where is the electric attics and Easywind? I think that any archivist would examine all the facts before rushing to judgement. Lastly it was I who set up the meeting with Jim Wise and the late Mark Cohen of Bellmore,N.Y. who had the only copies from his sister and brother inlaws tapes. Thats where and how Jim got it. I hope this will clear up all mystery. |
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03/30/2004 | David Djirikian | Thanks for the info John. Regardless of whether it's a duplicate entry or not, the sound on this rocks! Thanks for all the hard work you guys did on this. | |
03/31/2004 | Joe Jupille | John, I'll second that emotion. There are countless people who are grateful for the work that you and the others are doing (and Ken & Judy Lee did) re: these tapes. Thanks so much! | |
03/31/2004 | jb |
This source sounds awesome - a 1000% upgrade on any copy I've heard (although I have not heard the Jim Wise seed). As for the assertion that the set list for the early show is actually 5/15/70, that is ludicrous. The only similarities are that they opened with Casey Jones and played TIFTOO > Cosmic Charlie, which were two conventions that were commonplace in 1970. Plus, the review of the show in Deadbase by a person who attended the late show mentions getting to the theater in time to talk to the people leaving the early show. I think that's pretty definitive evidence of an early show. |
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04/01/2004 | Paul McFadyen |
I'll go away suitably chastened on this - John has rightly pointed out that the setlists DON'T match (there is a superficial resemblance, but no more). Mea culpa... Actually, nothing would make me happier than to hear a "real" recording of the early show on this night - consider this an open plea! |
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04/03/2004 |
The crowd reels in applause as the band exits the stage. They return for t... could the rest of the notes be added? |
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04/20/2004 | oobie |
cont' of the txt file: They return for the encore, and you can tell there is no hurry as they ease into Uncle Johns Band. He's come to take his children home... But his children don't want to leave. And they roar as the house lights come up, and Joan Baez plays thru the PA. Judy Lee recalls, "There was this energy in the air. We were all stunned at what we had just witnessed. The lights were on. Everyone was standing, clapping, stomping and yelling. Nobody was leaving. I looked at Ken, we knew it wasn't over. So I flipped the tape." Several minutes of crowd chanting to the exit music, turns into an eruption as the band, with members of the New Riders re-emerge on the stage with acoustic guitars. The crowd quiets as they tune and respectfully offer a prayer of Swing Low, Sweet Chariot. And with that, they sent the disciples into the early morning... |
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04/20/2004 | oobie |
txt file cont. --- To this Rob Berger adds: Make no mistake about it, these NRPS sets are not those of an opening act. The Riders in June of 1970 were not an offshoot of the Grateful Dead, but rather a thread in the fabric of the trip. I think their music speaks for itself on these recordings. I was fortunate to have grown up in a neighboring town of Port Chester and the Howard Stein era concerts at the Capitol Theatre were actually not legendary, but rather more of a rock n roll rumor by the late 70's. Unlike Bill Graham's fabled Fillmore East a mere 35 minutes away, a gig at Port Chester's Capitol Theatre was considered a fill-in date. Not high profile by any means. But, as anyone who has seen a show at the Capitol at any point in time can attest to, that room generates an energy that is truly charged and special. Very East Coast. Rowdy, but attentive and knowledgeable. Shows at the Capitol were all marked by a freedom of the artist to let loose and take chances without being scrutinized by the New York City press and jaded big city audience. Most groups really seemed to thrive off the boisterous enthusiasm of the crowd. Between 1988 -1997 I was lucky enough to have made a living promoting shows at, and managing the Capitol Theatre. It blew my mind that the shows we were putting on were so reminiscent of those tapes I remember. So full of energy and abandon. In May of 1990 we hosted John Dawson and his Riders at the still standing Capitol. Backstage over a corn cob pipe, Marmaduke shared with stage manager Dave - O and me a wonderful story of how Howard Stein painted the stage purple for their first gig there in that warm June of 1970 and how the cops were ready for the Dead to come to town after they freely gave out acid at their recent March gigs there. Enjoy the music, the memories, and thank you Ken, Judy, John Jay, and all those who make the music go round. Ken & Judy Lee present the Port Chester Resurrection Project as a loving tribute to Mark Cohen. A brother and friend to many in the community, his spirit lives on through the music. |
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09/22/2004 | Diana | Thanks all, I've pasted in the truncated parts of the txt from the comments area. Note the setlist record is labelled "Late" just because there happens to be a separate one for "Early" too- a common occurrence in the GD db. | |
04/24/2005 | Christian Harper |
Just pointing out that D1T05 "83968" may really be called "Let Me In" - see link below. I was curious about the song, Googled it and came up with the following: http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/introjs.htm?/~acsa/songfile/LETMEIN.HTM |
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03/13/2006 | A Dude |
Much of the missing (*) material was taped by Jim Cooper and his transfer has been uploaded to a major private BT tracker, including all of the Dead Early Electric (minus a cut portion - one can assume a tape flip), plus the last 3 songs from the Dead Late Acoustic (Candyman,Cumberland,ColdJordan) and still missing the first 6 tracks of Dead Late Acoustic (Intro and first 5 songs). The taper writes: " The sound is crude, but I wanted to contribute my piece to total complete posterity....." . I assume that a shn set ID will be created by someone in the near future for this. |
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03/23/2013 | KenLeeNYC |
I like the copy of our tapes that night that can be gotten from Archive.org. This show remains my all time favorite show, what's described as flashpots were in fact pyrotechnics that were thrown from the stage by a dude with a denim jacket that said "Boots Pyrotechnics", who walked in the back door that night. Only saw him that one night. I left a pretty detailed comment on archive which explains much of the sound. Glad you kids are still shaking your bones to our tapes. Ken |
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03/23/2013 | KenLeeNYC |
The Archive.org version is COMPLETE, it can be streamed or downloaded, sounds good to me. http://archive.org/details/gd_nrps70-06-24.aud.pcrp5.23062.sbeok.flacf Everything's there, tape flips were performed flawlessly by Judy, as well as the shushing Rock on Ken |